The FDA needs to tread carefully here. If it is proven that they are pushing agendas regardless of peoples health, that may draw attention to other things that they have said are good or bad for you. I am so glad that they have no control over the UK. They may be the death of vaping, but only in America. It may have some implications over here, but not much
I've been vaping for two months on zero nicotine juice and it definitely helps you get off the cigs and quit altogether. I no longer drink or smoke because that shit doesn't do anyone any good anyway.
Yes Dave we get it!!! So when are the vaping producers and retailers going to take the FDA and states who ban vaping to court and start fighting??? So far there is lots of talk, talk and more talk! Why is the vaping industry not using the legal system to fight bans? Come on.
Kinda makes me want to petition the FDA to fight for vaping. Vaping got me off of cigarettes and has given me the ability to titrate/wean off of nicotine altogether. No other nicotine product has done that for me. If they ban flavors then they’ll move to ban vaping and it will escalate til no end. Thank you for sharing this video. If it comes down to it, I’d totally petition the FDA. Period.
My buddy has already found 'shops' here in iLL where you will be able to purchase the ejuice in vg/pg you'd like and then a packet of reputedly fda approved flavors and you mix it yourself. And I know I've found a site or 2 where I can purchase gallon jugs of juice. Though the flavorings came up short. Butt that just means I'm not looking in the right places. If they Outlaw flavored juices I could see folks picking up the mail order juices and snagging food quality(if that) flavors at the local grocery store or heaven forbid dollar convenience stores. I personally would much rather continue purchasing from reputable labs for my needs butt I am a child of the 60's and we where quite inventive. Keep us posted. Peace
In America it is not a vape ban please do your research before you state something. The only reason vaping is on the market in America currently is because the FDA has decided not to enforce on already illegal products! Please see Ned Sharpless's speech to the house committee on Sept 25, and Kellyanne Conway's Press conference yesterday on Cspan. the only people I have compassion for are my fellow American vapers who rely on e-liquid to keep them off combustibles. I have absolutely 0 compassion for companies as they have had 3 years to complete their PMTAs and yet still had the all or nothing mentality in Advocacy. I would be happy to debate this with you personally any time!! If interested email me and we can discuss a time.
Kids don't care about flavours. They only want the nicotine buzz.
They should only sell vaping products in vape shops.
As for the black market or more counterfeit items, it sounds cold but they were warned more than enough by vapers, vape shops etc.. If people buy them then they will be messing around with health.
They can't blame that problem on vape shops that have done nothing to deserve this.
I'm like a broken record but all this is in my opinion is on Juul with ridiculously high nicotine cartridges.
BTW another note that image is from a government ran store on a military base. They really have not supported vaping for a while so it was just a matter of time before the PX had them removed!!
Is it only here? I thought cigarettes or tobacco wasn't allowed to be displayed.
With more talk of the iqos I think that's the plan, it's not vaping dipping cigarettes in glycol but the government will get the tax while they preach how they care about public health. Until people start getting sick.
Just saw a post from a vape shop owner yesterday; a kid went to Walmart and bought strawberry flavoring, they called a vape shop to ask how much to add to tobacco flavor to make it taste good ? All this ban will do is force people to diy, buy from the black market, or go back to smoking. More people will become sick bc they’ll be forced to use unregulated products, many also don’t know some of these flavors sold in stores are oil based and can make you sick if inhaled.
So the FDA is being bought off by big tobacco? Good to know people are just a $ sign. It's like we live in the matrix except instead of being farmed for energy we are being farmed for money….
They are simply using this opportunity to rid the market from the only competition cigarette sales has faced ever in history. You have to look at the fact that many of our government agencies own shares in big tobacco! They're protecting their own interest because it's going under. Jewel was planted in the middle of the public eye and went out of their way to make sure that they communicated to the schools to get everybody upset and waved their little flash drive styled pod devices so that the kids can see how cool they look and how easy it would be to hide them while at the same time jewel is saying stay away from this this is an adult product! We made this for adults. They're pretending to sound like they're embracing youth education as if that ever keeps you away from something that they're not supposed to get into. And they packed those PODS of e-liquid with 50 mg of nicotine! The kids loved it for the head buzz and they don't give a rat's about the flavor or they wouldn't be vaping Tide Pods! You certainly didn't see them getting rid of Tide or even laundry detergent pods. Now that they've got all these kids that have learned that only a little bit of vapor comes out of a juul so they can vaping class and blow the little bit of vapor down the neck of their shirt that they pull open. That's what I have heard is going on and I have a kid that just graduated from high school so I'm pretty sure I'm getting some accurate information. She thinks they're idiots because they're only after the buzz and they're ruining it for adults, her mother for 1, that tried everything possible that was available on the market and nothing worked for them. Vaping seemed to be the answer and time has proven that it is effective because people that start vaping do not stop and return to cigarettes. Until now that they've scared the new Vapor to death with their lies. They don't know enough about the product even though all the information is easily accessible and they're scared to death. Our government actually has the public believing that vaping is more harmful for you than cigarette smoking. Then you have to add the fact that juile is owned by a company whose former name was Philip Morris. This is so corrupt I cannot believe that they will be able to get away with this. and why did they have to do this on a weekend? This just stinks to high heaven of foulness. It personally makes me want to cry because your own government is trying to kill you so they can pad their pockets with some more tax money and get richer on the shares of cigarettes instead of investing in something that helps the adult public become so much healthier then they were on cigarettes.
I'm already suffering because of the corruption of the CDC and the FDA. And that has really been an emotionally painful thing to realize. The reason I believe is because of big Pharma once again. There are also involved in this FDA CDC cigarettes and getting rid of vaping sing because they make a lot of money off of sales of Nicorette and patches as well as the Extremely Dangerous Drug Chantix. big Pharma also makes a lot of money treating cancer caused by cigarettes. well what they've done up to two million Americans that have the disease I have is bury it under headlines of somatoform disorder. that means it's all in our heads. The science is there that proves it isn't, but just like with vaping nobody is willing to look at the science and they believe the first thing they hear cuz they actually think these government agencies are trustworthy just like I did before. The fact of the matter is Big Pharma is making a lot of money off of my disease because the way it's being managed is by treating symptoms of certain conditions caused by the disease or frequently are comorbid. Anti-inflammatories, Pepto freaking Bismol for all of these issues with all the extra bacteria in our gut. Frequent headaches, neuropathy causing all kinds of problems one being loss of control of bladder and bowel so they're making a killing an adult diapers. so many body systems aren't functioning right that it even goes to prescription meds and not just what you pick up in your drug store over the counter to try to stop your diarrhea. we have horrible skin disorders problems with our blood pressure and serious loss of Mobility. we have to buy our own products most of the time. Things like shower chairs and grab bars, power chairs that the government won't pay for, since they claim this is a somatic disorder we're forced to go to Mental Health practitioners and are misdiagnosed in spite of all of the physical malfunctions if you will. it's amazing to see the mental health profession actually look at scientific studies and absolute proof of the biology of this disease and then say I don't believe it it's all in their heads. so I'm not at all surprised this is happening with vaping. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but the players aren't being very subtle about their campaign to attempt to force vapers back towards cigarettes. I don't know if it'll work but I do know that the 50 mg of nicotine in the juul served only one purpose and that was to hook that user into a nicotine addiction. that is called targeting our children and the government has part in what just happened. it's no coincidence that teen vaping increased with the introduction of juul on the market. I do know that what I used to vape cannot be found in a convenience store. I have to go into a place where I show ID to prove I am over the legal smoking age in my state which is 21. once they get rid of vaping I wonder if they'll lower the smoking age again? all I know is I am desperate not to have to go back to cigarettes, but I'm not going to put my life at risk buying flavored Vapor illegally because you never know what they put in it!
The past several years due to vaping I have been able to take bronchitis and asthma off of my medical charts when they ask about my diagnose health problems. now instead of having 35 diagnosed conditions that they treat individually I was down to 33.
I just really don't know which way to turn and the best II attack on my health by the government that preaches to be kind to animals has me feeling pretty worthless and quite disposable to the very people that are supposed to be looking out for my health, not making it worse. I guess we're less than dogs 2 the United States of America government regulation institutions. I'm disgusted and that's also why they got rid of the guy that was in charge of the FDA. sure he had to do the deeming laws but he tried to be reasonable which didn't go over very well with the agency he was in charge of. I guess he refused 2 play ball with them so they got rid of him. The Whos keeping an eye on the FDA and CDC? do they regulate themselves because that's a definite conflict of interest! people think that these agencies walk on water but all they are it is tricksters and Liars to further their own interests at the cost of our health. this is just too much and they've broken my heart. I don't drink I don't do drugs I try to take care of myself because of how ill I am… and vaping is so much better for me than smoking even though it isn't absolutely perfect. it is still, undeniably, easy to believe it's 95% safer based on my personal experience. aren't you tired to go back and fix typos so please forgive me. I want to say hang in there everybody and try your best not to go back to cigarettes. now would actually be a good time for legislators to get involved and show where their allegiance lies so we know who the vote out and who to vote in come next year
What can we do now Dave? I have been trying to stock up but we need to drive home the facts and get this turned over on a federal level. If nothing else it looks like my family and I will be moving out of the country.
Big Tobacco behind the scenes pulling the Strings.
Ban all gas station sales of vape products. Vape and head shops should be the place selling these products
Plot twist , the FDA contaminated the thc pods
The FDA needs to tread carefully here. If it is proven that they are pushing agendas regardless of peoples health, that may draw attention to other things that they have said are good or bad for you. I am so glad that they have no control over the UK. They may be the death of vaping, but only in America. It may have some implications over here, but not much
I've been vaping for two months on zero nicotine juice and it definitely helps you get off the cigs and quit altogether. I no longer drink or smoke because that shit doesn't do anyone any good anyway.
I want to see the check that big tobacco wrote the FDA
it's definitely ridiculous ?
Yes Dave we get it!!! So when are the vaping producers and retailers going to take the FDA and states who ban vaping to court and start fighting??? So far there is lots of talk, talk and more talk! Why is the vaping industry not using the legal system to fight bans? Come on.
Kinda makes me want to petition the FDA to fight for vaping. Vaping got me off of cigarettes and has given me the ability to titrate/wean off of nicotine altogether. No other nicotine product has done that for me. If they ban flavors then they’ll move to ban vaping and it will escalate til no end.
Thank you for sharing this video. If it comes down to it, I’d totally petition the FDA. Period.
My buddy has already found 'shops' here in iLL where you will be able to purchase the ejuice in vg/pg you'd like and then a packet of reputedly fda approved flavors and you mix it yourself. And I know I've found a site or 2 where I can purchase gallon jugs of juice. Though the flavorings came up short. Butt that just means I'm not looking in the right places. If they Outlaw flavored juices I could see folks picking up the mail order juices and snagging food quality(if that) flavors at the local grocery store or heaven forbid dollar convenience stores. I personally would much rather continue purchasing from reputable labs for my needs butt I am a child of the 60's and we where quite inventive. Keep us posted. Peace
fda is bad 4 vaping
Dear FDA, stick your ciggies up your urethra
I think they should take a look at the black market
Will make for some great court cases i'm sure!
In America it is not a vape ban please do your research before you state something. The only reason vaping is on the market in America currently is because the FDA has decided not to enforce on already illegal products! Please see Ned Sharpless's speech to the house committee on Sept 25, and Kellyanne Conway's Press conference yesterday on Cspan. the only people I have compassion for are my fellow American vapers who rely on e-liquid to keep them off combustibles. I have absolutely 0 compassion for companies as they have had 3 years to complete their PMTAs and yet still had the all or nothing mentality in Advocacy. I would be happy to debate this with you personally any time!! If interested email me and we can discuss a time.
Kids don't care about flavours. They only want the nicotine buzz.
They should only sell vaping products in vape shops.
As for the black market or more counterfeit items, it sounds cold but they were warned more than enough by vapers, vape shops etc.. If people buy them then they will be messing around with health.
They can't blame that problem on vape shops that have done nothing to deserve this.
I'm like a broken record but all this is in my opinion is on Juul with ridiculously high nicotine cartridges.
BTW another note that image is from a government ran store on a military base. They really have not supported vaping for a while so it was just a matter of time before the PX had them removed!!
Is it only here? I thought cigarettes or tobacco wasn't allowed to be displayed.
With more talk of the iqos I think that's the plan, it's not vaping dipping cigarettes in glycol but the government will get the tax while they preach how they care about public health. Until people start getting sick.
Just saw a post from a vape shop owner yesterday; a kid went to Walmart and bought strawberry flavoring, they called a vape shop to ask how much to add to tobacco flavor to make it taste good ? All this ban will do is force people to diy, buy from the black market, or go back to smoking. More people will become sick bc they’ll be forced to use unregulated products, many also don’t know some of these flavors sold in stores are oil based and can make you sick if inhaled.
The more I hear out of the U.S. Public Officials the more I think they are completely oblivious to just about everything …
So the FDA is being bought off by big tobacco? Good to know people are just a $ sign. It's like we live in the matrix except instead of being farmed for energy we are being farmed for money….
Plot twist the vape nation ends the FDA!!
MSA money, period. Criminals!
They are simply using this opportunity to rid the market from the only competition cigarette sales has faced ever in history. You have to look at the fact that many of our government agencies own shares in big tobacco! They're protecting their own interest because it's going under. Jewel was planted in the middle of the public eye and went out of their way to make sure that they communicated to the schools to get everybody upset and waved their little flash drive styled pod devices so that the kids can see how cool they look and how easy it would be to hide them while at the same time jewel is saying stay away from this this is an adult product! We made this for adults. They're pretending to sound like they're embracing youth education as if that ever keeps you away from something that they're not supposed to get into. And they packed those PODS of e-liquid with 50 mg of nicotine! The kids loved it for the head buzz and they don't give a rat's about the flavor or they wouldn't be vaping Tide Pods! You certainly didn't see them getting rid of Tide or even laundry detergent pods. Now that they've got all these kids that have learned that only a little bit of vapor comes out of a juul so they can vaping class and blow the little bit of vapor down the neck of their shirt that they pull open. That's what I have heard is going on and I have a kid that just graduated from high school so I'm pretty sure I'm getting some accurate information. She thinks they're idiots because they're only after the buzz and they're ruining it for adults, her mother for 1, that tried everything possible that was available on the market and nothing worked for them. Vaping seemed to be the answer and time has proven that it is effective because people that start vaping do not stop and return to cigarettes. Until now that they've scared the new Vapor to death with their lies. They don't know enough about the product even though all the information is easily accessible and they're scared to death. Our government actually has the public believing that vaping is more harmful for you than cigarette smoking. Then you have to add the fact that juile is owned by a company whose former name was Philip Morris. This is so corrupt I cannot believe that they will be able to get away with this. and why did they have to do this on a weekend? This just stinks to high heaven of foulness. It personally makes me want to cry because your own government is trying to kill you so they can pad their pockets with some more tax money and get richer on the shares of cigarettes instead of investing in something that helps the adult public become so much healthier then they were on cigarettes.
I'm already suffering because of the corruption of the CDC and the FDA. And that has really been an emotionally painful thing to realize. The reason I believe is because of big Pharma once again. There are also involved in this FDA CDC cigarettes and getting rid of vaping sing because they make a lot of money off of sales of Nicorette and patches as well as the Extremely Dangerous Drug Chantix. big Pharma also makes a lot of money treating cancer caused by cigarettes. well what they've done up to two million Americans that have the disease I have is bury it under headlines of somatoform disorder. that means it's all in our heads. The science is there that proves it isn't, but just like with vaping nobody is willing to look at the science and they believe the first thing they hear cuz they actually think these government agencies are trustworthy just like I did before. The fact of the matter is Big Pharma is making a lot of money off of my disease because the way it's being managed is by treating symptoms of certain conditions caused by the disease or frequently are comorbid. Anti-inflammatories, Pepto freaking Bismol for all of these issues with all the extra bacteria in our gut. Frequent headaches, neuropathy causing all kinds of problems one being loss of control of bladder and bowel so they're making a killing an adult diapers. so many body systems aren't functioning right that it even goes to prescription meds and not just what you pick up in your drug store over the counter to try to stop your diarrhea. we have horrible skin disorders problems with our blood pressure and serious loss of Mobility. we have to buy our own products most of the time. Things like shower chairs and grab bars, power chairs that the government won't pay for, since they claim this is a somatic disorder we're forced to go to Mental Health practitioners and are misdiagnosed in spite of all of the physical malfunctions if you will. it's amazing to see the mental health profession actually look at scientific studies and absolute proof of the biology of this disease and then say I don't believe it it's all in their heads. so I'm not at all surprised this is happening with vaping. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but the players aren't being very subtle about their campaign to attempt to force vapers back towards cigarettes. I don't know if it'll work but I do know that the 50 mg of nicotine in the juul served only one purpose and that was to hook that user into a nicotine addiction. that is called targeting our children and the government has part in what just happened. it's no coincidence that teen vaping increased with the introduction of juul on the market. I do know that what I used to vape cannot be found in a convenience store. I have to go into a place where I show ID to prove I am over the legal smoking age in my state which is 21. once they get rid of vaping I wonder if they'll lower the smoking age again? all I know is I am desperate not to have to go back to cigarettes, but I'm not going to put my life at risk buying flavored Vapor illegally because you never know what they put in it!
The past several years due to vaping I have been able to take bronchitis and asthma off of my medical charts when they ask about my diagnose health problems. now instead of having 35 diagnosed conditions that they treat individually I was down to 33.
I just really don't know which way to turn and the best II attack on my health by the government that preaches to be kind to animals has me feeling pretty worthless and quite disposable to the very people that are supposed to be looking out for my health, not making it worse. I guess we're less than dogs 2 the United States of America government regulation institutions. I'm disgusted and that's also why they got rid of the guy that was in charge of the FDA. sure he had to do the deeming laws but he tried to be reasonable which didn't go over very well with the agency he was in charge of. I guess he refused 2 play ball with them so they got rid of him. The Whos keeping an eye on the FDA and CDC? do they regulate themselves because that's a definite conflict of interest! people think that these agencies walk on water but all they are it is tricksters and Liars to further their own interests at the cost of our health. this is just too much and they've broken my heart. I don't drink I don't do drugs I try to take care of myself because of how ill I am… and vaping is so much better for me than smoking even though it isn't absolutely perfect. it is still, undeniably, easy to believe it's 95% safer based on my personal experience. aren't you tired to go back and fix typos so please forgive me. I want to say hang in there everybody and try your best not to go back to cigarettes. now would actually be a good time for legislators to get involved and show where their allegiance lies so we know who the vote out and who to vote in come next year
What can we do now Dave? I have been trying to stock up but we need to drive home the facts and get this turned over on a federal level. If nothing else it looks like my family and I will be moving out of the country.