Tbh, the cdc should've included stuff about nic content. We all know the kids aren't getting ahold of big box mods. Kids want to "juul", they don't call it vaping. They wan't that 50mg of nic.
The truth will eventually come out but WE need to admit it too. Seperating vapes from JULL and HIGH nic products are essential. Let's all face the fact that until SALT base with 50 mg of nic was a "THING" Vaping was cruising along with speed bumps rather than huge potholes. 50 mg is huffed and puffed to GET a BUZZ by teens. And then yes, they are addicted. Flavors have historically had little to do with it. Why is it conveniently forgotten that until High nic salt hit the market, (mainly JUUL) we didn't have so many issues with kids, with the only exception of enticing packaging. Last I knew tho, packaging isn't addictive..50 mg is. I KNEW in the beginning it was an unnecessary mistake and it's taking down an industry. We need NO salt base over 24mg on the market instead of 35 being the "low" and definite options to STEP DOWN like we always have with free base. WE need to be responsible because rest assured, big tobacco will not.
Dave I found an article from back in December making outrageous claims about the horrible effects of being around second hand vaping. Do you have an email I can send the article to you? I copied and pasted it.
Dave you have one of the best vape channels on you tube no matter what the subject!!!! But definitely not worth burning yourself out. Looking forward to whatever is next, thanks.
Imma be real with you, ive been to 3 different high schools and everyone that vapes there only vapes for the head rush, they don't care what flavour it is
I work in a vape shop in europe, and since this bullshit was in the news our customers that want to switch from smoking to vaping have decreased a whopping 100% which cost us around 40% revenue. 3 Stores already shut down (smaller ones) i really hope this bullshit quiets down before even more harm is done to the industry.
It’s funny how alcopops (fruity flavored alcohol) cause 4,300 underage deaths annually, and vaping is the ‘epidemic’. Seems to me like the government should worry more about how teens are getting the alcohol than their vapes but whatever.
Can you make a video on the news that vaping is causing some other sicknesses I honestly dont believe it at all and feel that you guys make some really good videos explaining what's really going on
Dave, i hope you see this, but it's called a Harmless Cigarette. Openly advertised on facebook now and yes, includes flavors: https://www.facebook.com/harmlesscig/
i'm an american vaper, and a trump supporter (attack me if you want), but i think in order for this poll to be the most accurate i think they should have asked "If juices did not come in any flavors other than tobacco, would you use them?" in order to get the most accurate result. again, i'm pro vaping, pro flavors, and i know the media hype is ridiculous and why
Since the dawn of time youth has a privilege. The privilege to rebel against ossificated, corrupt, intolerant, lying, cheating, oppressive systems. Especially if the ruling classes, mobs, or ideologists have betrayed themselves and their initial goals on their way to predominance. Former “champions” succumbing to the lure of filthy lucre and power. It is the inalienable right of the youth to show them the finger with a heartfelt “Eff you!”.
The latest instance of juvenile rebellion, albeit a minor one, manifests with smoking.
Ten years ago in China Hon Lik invented—more precisely: finally developed an old idea to marketability—the tobacco free electronic cigarette. Until a few years ago it was a gadget for freaks and technophiles.
Ignored by governments, BigTobacco, and Pharmafia, the tobacco free ecig had some time to evolve. Consumers and tinkerers drove the developement towards a viable, even better alternative. Capable to completely replace the toxic fumes of burned tobacco. This process also gave birth to many new thriving small and medium businesses. Independent, innovatiive, responsible, and responsive. Quite unlike the industrial giants.
According to all reliable studies these ecigs have the potential to reach the goals “Public Health” profess to dream of: A world devoid of collateral damage caused by smoking. And all this even without cajoling, forcing, suppressing, and ostracising smokers. They should be rejoicing—at least that’s what naive common sense would expect.
Unfortunately this product has a major flaw. Its latest and most effective designs are neither geared to maximize the profits of industry giants, nor are they controlled by them. The development of the tobacco free ecig is consumer driven. It also increasingly impinges on the profits of Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Health industries. Currently their profits have already dropped by double digit percentages.
Now there are a lot of institutions that rely heavily on donations and “charitable” contributions from these industries. Like the WHO on Pharmafia. Of course they fear for their nice nest eggs and plush cushions.
The adult population is already primed by scaremongering about all kinds of fevers, flu pandemics, and other presumed dangers. So a new stream of propaganda bovine excrement started hitting the mass media fans. Drenching the unsuspecting public in wave after wave of a massive slanderous campaign the like probably no product has faced before. Hardly anything is below their sprouting. No phrase too corny. No manipulation too blatant or insidious. No propagandistic catch phrase too outworn. No tale too tall. No lie too base. All continuous badgering tobacco free ecigs.
The most sacred and constantly ruminated dogma is the “Gateway” myth. Spinning a tall tale of how tobacco free ecigs might pave the road for innocent nonsmoking children and finally lure them to smoking tobacco. Everybody who has experienced the (mostly) pleasant tastes of real, modern ecigs vs. the bland, harsh, mostly unpleasant smoke, is wondering how supposed experts could sprout such abysmally absurd nonsense.
For several years now annual national surveys about tobacco use among chlidren and adolecents also include questions about the use of tobacco free ecigs. Regular use has always been about one percent or less. This has started to change dramatically!
Last year the number of smoking children and adolescents in the USA has declined like never before. Actually more than in the whole decade before.
A lot of adolescents are simply switching from smoking to tobacco free ecigs. And—please note!—, according to a study from Hawaii, the major reason for this step was that they recognised it as less harmful! Not because they taste like sweets, fruits, or bubble gum, but because they are less harmful!
Maybe the still fresh memory of the tall tales and fables lets them see the zelotic propaganda as what it really is. Or they simply observe the health benefits adult former smokers experience after switching. Or the chemistry lessons are still fresh enough that they know that there are significant chemical difference between glycerol and an oil. Or their parents were sensible enough to show them an alternative. We don’t know the details. There are not enough studies … yet.
One thing is obvious: Thanks to tobacco free ecigs, there is a significant decline in the number of children and adolescents that smoke harmful tobacco. A much more impressive decline than anything the WHO and all the “Public Health” organisations have ever accomplished spending huge amounts of tax money.
Flavour bans are pointless and saying that flavours are targeting youth and that vaping is coursing all types of lung diseases is a gimic to support the ban and increase sales on tobacco products. Whatever happen to freedom to do what ever we want with our own body's and health. And why is it becoming easier to get weed than it is to get a vape or vape juice. Narcotics are safe but vape made of natural ingredients are not. It's a double edged sword if you think about it, we currently telling our youth that you can't vape but drugs is fine . Nothing against weed smokers or anything but you have to wonder what are they trying to pull here.
Tbh, the cdc should've included stuff about nic content. We all know the kids aren't getting ahold of big box mods. Kids want to "juul", they don't call it vaping. They wan't that 50mg of nic.
The truth will eventually come out but WE need to admit it too. Seperating vapes from JULL and HIGH nic products are essential. Let's all face the fact that until SALT base with 50 mg of nic was a "THING" Vaping was cruising along with speed bumps rather than huge potholes. 50 mg is huffed and puffed to GET a BUZZ by teens. And then yes, they are addicted. Flavors have historically had little to do with it. Why is it conveniently forgotten that until High nic salt hit the market, (mainly JUUL) we didn't have so many issues with kids, with the only exception of enticing packaging. Last I knew tho, packaging isn't addictive..50 mg is. I KNEW in the beginning it was an unnecessary mistake and it's taking down an industry. We need NO salt base over 24mg on the market instead of 35 being the "low" and definite options to STEP DOWN like we always have with free base. WE need to be responsible because rest assured, big tobacco will not.
Washington state rally
Friday January 17th, 2020 @ 1:30pm
@ The Legislative building
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Dave I found an article from back in December making outrageous claims about the horrible effects of being around second hand vaping. Do you have an email I can send the article to you? I copied and pasted it.
Yea dave, make them and ill,we'll,watch them
Dave you have one of the best vape channels on you tube no matter what the subject!!!! But definitely not worth burning yourself out. Looking forward to whatever is next, thanks.
Imma be real with you, ive been to 3 different high schools and everyone that vapes there only vapes for the head rush, they don't care what flavour it is
Flavor ok how about alcohol they gat a hole bunch of flavors aslo and dip do to aslo cigars have flavors do too…………..
I work in a vape shop in europe, and since this bullshit was in the news our customers that want to switch from smoking to vaping have decreased a whopping 100% which cost us around 40% revenue. 3 Stores already shut down (smaller ones) i really hope this bullshit quiets down before even more harm is done to the industry.
Dude vaping is in serious trouble rn
It’s funny how alcopops (fruity flavored alcohol) cause 4,300 underage deaths annually, and vaping is the ‘epidemic’. Seems to me like the government should worry more about how teens are getting the alcohol than their vapes but whatever.
THC and Street drugs! They are the cause. SMH.
Why don't we just ban cigarettes?
New study released. Would love to see a video https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/health/vaping-respiratory-disease-study/index.html
Can you make a video on the news that vaping is causing some other sicknesses I honestly dont believe it at all and feel that you guys make some really good videos explaining what's really going on
Thanks heaps for keeping us informed and calling out media and government lies, Dave. We very much appreciate it.
Dave, i hope you see this, but it's called a Harmless Cigarette. Openly advertised on facebook now and yes, includes flavors: https://www.facebook.com/harmlesscig/
Flavours do be attracting every single teenager from 14 to 17 I know tho
Ah yes, drugs, there wouldn't be a problem with them if they didn't taste so good
i'm an american vaper, and a trump supporter (attack me if you want), but i think in order for this poll to be the most accurate i think they should have asked "If juices did not come in any flavors other than tobacco, would you use them?" in order to get the most accurate result. again, i'm pro vaping, pro flavors, and i know the media hype is ridiculous and why
Thank The Children!
Since the dawn of time youth has a privilege. The privilege to rebel against ossificated, corrupt, intolerant, lying, cheating, oppressive systems. Especially if the ruling classes, mobs, or ideologists have betrayed themselves and their initial goals on their way to predominance. Former “champions” succumbing to the lure of filthy lucre and power. It is the inalienable right of the youth to show them the finger with a heartfelt “Eff you!”.
The latest instance of juvenile rebellion, albeit a minor one, manifests with smoking.
Ten years ago in China Hon Lik invented—more precisely: finally developed an old idea to marketability—the tobacco free electronic cigarette. Until a few years ago it was a gadget for freaks and technophiles.
Ignored by governments, BigTobacco, and Pharmafia, the tobacco free ecig had some time to evolve. Consumers and tinkerers drove the developement towards a viable, even better alternative. Capable to completely replace the toxic fumes of burned tobacco. This process also gave birth to many new thriving small and medium businesses. Independent, innovatiive, responsible, and responsive. Quite unlike the industrial giants.
According to all reliable studies these ecigs have the potential to reach the goals “Public Health” profess to dream of: A world devoid of collateral damage caused by smoking. And all this even without cajoling, forcing, suppressing, and ostracising smokers. They should be rejoicing—at least that’s what naive common sense would expect.
Unfortunately this product has a major flaw. Its latest and most effective designs are neither geared to maximize the profits of industry giants, nor are they controlled by them. The development of the tobacco free ecig is consumer driven. It also increasingly impinges on the profits of Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Health industries. Currently their profits have already dropped by double digit percentages.
Now there are a lot of institutions that rely heavily on donations and “charitable” contributions from these industries. Like the WHO on Pharmafia. Of course they fear for their nice nest eggs and plush cushions.
The adult population is already primed by scaremongering about all kinds of fevers, flu pandemics, and other presumed dangers. So a new stream of propaganda bovine excrement started hitting the mass media fans. Drenching the unsuspecting public in wave after wave of a massive slanderous campaign the like probably no product has faced before. Hardly anything is below their sprouting. No phrase too corny. No manipulation too blatant or insidious. No propagandistic catch phrase too outworn. No tale too tall. No lie too base. All continuous badgering tobacco free ecigs.
The most sacred and constantly ruminated dogma is the “Gateway” myth. Spinning a tall tale of how tobacco free ecigs might pave the road for innocent nonsmoking children and finally lure them to smoking tobacco. Everybody who has experienced the (mostly) pleasant tastes of real, modern ecigs vs. the bland, harsh, mostly unpleasant smoke, is wondering how supposed experts could sprout such abysmally absurd nonsense.
For several years now annual national surveys about tobacco use among chlidren and adolecents also include questions about the use of tobacco free ecigs. Regular use has always been about one percent or less. This has started to change dramatically!
Last year the number of smoking children and adolescents in the USA has declined like never before. Actually more than in the whole decade before.
A lot of adolescents are simply switching from smoking to tobacco free ecigs. And—please note!—, according to a study from Hawaii, the major reason for this step was that they recognised it as less harmful! Not because they taste like sweets, fruits, or bubble gum, but because they are less harmful!
Maybe the still fresh memory of the tall tales and fables lets them see the zelotic propaganda as what it really is. Or they simply observe the health benefits adult former smokers experience after switching. Or the chemistry lessons are still fresh enough that they know that there are significant chemical difference between glycerol and an oil. Or their parents were sensible enough to show them an alternative. We don’t know the details. There are not enough studies … yet.
One thing is obvious: Thanks to tobacco free ecigs, there is a significant decline in the number of children and adolescents that smoke harmful tobacco. A much more impressive decline than anything the WHO and all the “Public Health” organisations have ever accomplished spending huge amounts of tax money.
Thanks!
Media reports:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/news-releases/2014/12/teen-prescription-opioid-abuse-cigarette-alcohol-use-trends-down
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/15/electronic-cigarettes-teens/20314561/
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/17/vaping-rises-to-record-highs-smoking-fal
Studies:
http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797%2814%2900555-8/fulltext
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/12/09/peds.2014-0760
http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/12/05/ntr.ntu257.abstract
Lose translation by Norbert Zillatron
Original text: https://ig-ed.org/2014/12/der-jugend-sei-dank/
Dave.. I love your videos man. But the way you say "process" … idk man..
Bought an eleaf box mod vape
dude. smoke weed. not vapes
Flavour bans are pointless and saying that flavours are targeting youth and that vaping is coursing all types of lung diseases is a gimic to support the ban and increase sales on tobacco products. Whatever happen to freedom to do what ever we want with our own body's and health. And why is it becoming easier to get weed than it is to get a vape or vape juice. Narcotics are safe but vape made of natural ingredients are not. It's a double edged sword if you think about it, we currently telling our youth that you can't vape but drugs is fine . Nothing against weed smokers or anything but you have to wonder what are they trying to pull here.